Exit Neoreaction

I haven’t exited neoreaction yet. But I may do in the near future. Let me explain.

I deactivated my twitter account today. NRx twitter is too much of a shithole for me to handle nowadays, and it has been getting progressively worse in the past year. Also, neoreaction has a giant entryist problem. Case in point.

Neoreaction is too much of a muddled label nowadays. It means pretty much whatever people want it to mean. All three parts of “the trike” are just trying to redefine neoreaction in a way that is centered around them. Another case in point. Mark Yuray writes a post titled “What is Neoreaction”. Talks about tradition and Evola all the way through it, doesn’t mention Moldbug once. Maybe you don’t find this a problem, but I do. This is a sign that neoreaction no longer means what it used to mean back when I first started following the blogosphere in late 2012 (at least to a significant and continually growing amount of people who identify as neoreactionaries). It is no longer even centered around the same ideas. From 2013 to the present day, what used to be the core of neoreaction – the ideas of Moldbug, i.e. formalism, patchwork, neocameralism, austrian economic analysis, etc. have been progressively pushed to the periphery as neoreaction has become more and more of a “popular movement” than anything else.

I am pessimistic about the future of neoreaction. The ideas that originally attracted me are no longer discussed. Most of the original bloggers and commenters who discussed ideas which attracted me – Moldbug, Foseti, Handle, Vladimir, etc. are long gone. I myself am not capable to compensate for their absence. I am too young to have sufficiently developed ideas which I can elaborate at length on my blog. The most I can do is share insight porn from some of the books I read. Originally I came to neoreaction to learn. But one can only learn from people who (1) talk about subjects which are interesting to him and (2) who are more knowledgeable than him in those subjects. Presently most people in NRx do not fill either of those conditions. The people who do I can count on one hand, and I will continue to follow their blogs.

Leaving twitter might make me less pessimistic about neoreaction. After all, stupidity is easily expressed in 140 characters, but genuine insight – almost impossible. Although I doubt it at the moment. The intellectual decline of neoreaction is even clearly noticeable in comment sections on some of the most popular blogs, like Land’s and Jim’s. Especially when compared to early to mid 2013.
If I don’t find neoreaction improving in the near future, I will simply stop calling myself a neoreactionary. I’d probably substitute it for “formalist” or something like that because it is much more specific. And that will be my final exit (or rather not “final” because some small number of neoreactionaries are still formalists, but an exit from the majority of neoreaction at any rate). I am not sure if I will discontinue this blog at that point, but it is a possibility. It’s kind of a pity if that were to happen of course as this is a brand new blog. But if there is no proper intellectual stimulus that I find interesting coming out of other bloggers in the neoreactionary sphere I don’t see me being very productive on this blog. As I said, I am young, and not much of an original thinker myself, at least not yet.

I have no interest in trying to “save” neoreaction, or to try and shape it more to my liking. That would be prioritizing voice over exit, and no true formalist does that. The moment when what is discussed in neoreaction no longer fits my interests I will simply exit the sphere and abandon the label. You might think I am being close minded, or childish, but I am not obliged to read or engage in discussions I no longer find insightful or intellectually stimulating.

Please, try to not overreact to this post.

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34 responses to “Exit Neoreaction

  1. nickbsteves March 14, 2015 at 2:29 am

    Anyone can say anything they like on the internet: Lord Humungus is NRx like Uncle Teddy Brewster is Teddy Roosevelt. You shouldn’t even be looking at that sort of bullshit. I certainly don’t. It has ZERO pull in core NRx. NRx knows its own and you should know that. We don’t have full control over the brand. Yet. Be patient.

    Your points about Moldbug strike me as a little bizzare. Moldbug will be the first to tell you that he came to his views by reading old books and was therefore almost entirely derivative. He synthesized yes. By weaving all of that together, he spawned many of the major currents within NRx (not just formalism BTW). But it is still possible to speak of the thing he spawned now 6-8 years later as it has grown. Yuray says lots of things and is occasionally hot-headed. But I’ve never known him to be not correctible. If NRx is Social Studies Done Right, then is not necessary to mention at every point that O yes all of this comes directly from Our Lord & Savior Moldbug.

    Anyway, I hope you don’t leave NRx. (Twitter, however, I totally get.) Embrace the trike with nuance, flair, and a full assurance that none of the points of it will ever be allowed to become retarded. Each force exists to cure the retardation of the others.

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    • Hurlock March 14, 2015 at 2:36 am

      I though I made this clear in the post itself, but my point is not trying to keep some sort of ideological purity in NRx or unquestioning loyalty to the ideas of Moldbug and the discussions that used to be had on Foseti’s blog and etc. My point was that those were the things that interested me originally and I was able to learn new stuff from those people and the discussions they had. Nowadays, not so much – most of the discussions I do not find interesting and the ones I do, are usually not very insightful from my point of view.
      This post is descriptive and I am merely expressing personal taste. That’s all.

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      • nickbsteves March 14, 2015 at 2:48 am

        Well, if it’s all the same, we’d like to keep you around then. You’re a White Elf for Heaven’s sakes. Do you know how hard that is to get? 😉

        We don’t expect you to be interested in everything that’s going on. No one is. Not even me. I just make it look that way for the Weekly News. How much involved with everything is Samo or Bryce? Judging from the public evidence, not much. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t working for the Nrx. Sturgeon’s Law applies. Almost all the best work is proceeding slowly and out of the public eye. And that’s why occasionally bam we get some Great Earthshaking Stuff, followed by months of nothing new. Let the PR people take care of the bullshit. You keep working, studying and interacting with the few you find interesting, whether they ID as Nrx or not.

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  3. Just sayin' March 14, 2015 at 2:49 am

    Yuray is a cool guy but he’s clearly a regular reactionary not a neoreactionary. I don’t think he’s an entryist though, just confused, along with a whole lot of other people.

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  4. Porphy's Attorney March 14, 2015 at 3:00 am

    Come back to the 5 and dime, Hurlock Dean.

    I understand your frustration, especially when people who *are* “Core NRx” (or seem to be) decide to, for example cast sound economics overboard as “libtardarian” because they’ve decided we don’t need no interest rates (so turning off interest rates won’t cause, rather than prevent, systemic risk?) and otherwise jape around, with things slowly (but rather fast in historical time) sliding towards what went wrong other things.

    But yes NBS is right and you (and I!) have to know when to take a stand (and withdrawing isn’t it) and when to just let things go. WHich is hard because people who should know better tend not to lend a supporting word at times when it might do some good. Taking the better part of valor which is wise, in a sense, and prudent. But meanwhile I do think things are slipping away (and sure, economics isn’t the whole of life, and it is even true that it is not the crowning glory of what is the good, but that does not mean it isn’t valid within its sphere – something ppl, and I don’t include NBS in this, but it *does* include some very prominent and core others, who are reducing the trike to the simple “Those Who Pray, Those Who Fight, Those Who Work” thing [which does have its place but is NOT a good analogy for the trike] – with the “Techcoms” (those who understand econ) being put in the place of “Those Who Work” – the “Body,” the underlings who are expected to “make it happen” but also be treated as lessers, and also to inevitably be put in the role of the merchant-jew-Swarthy Italian who provides the resources but who can be scapegoated/expropriated because reasons (well because they’re obviously chizzlers, with their economics and expectation that, say, loans made carry with it interest – by any other name – because it has a time value. For just one recent example that I don’t mean to harp on), and at best as technicians who are simply expected to make the desirable end happen ( http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/07/Justdoit.shtml ) even if it involves “miracles and magic.”

    Yes the above is stream of conciousness, and yes, for those to whom that simplification doesn’t apply, it’s not you. But for others who mean this but won’t come out and admit it candidly (“Good and Honor!”): don’t take it personally. It’s not about you: it’s about all of you.

    And it’s about time they be read the riot act by those who are “core” if a core is to maintain it’s harmony.

    So yeah, there has been drift. There’s a reason ppl like Foseti left. And no it probably shouldn’t be left to the easily frustrated like Hurlock (or myself) to try and fight the river (I keep trying to tell myself: a fish can choose which way to swim, eh? But he cannot stop the river. Well this is true, but if our river flows into the sewage, then that’s it for this thing).

    Anyhow, don’t abandon yet Hurlock. You need to come to at least one more Jackal Hour for example.

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  5. kalishjantzen March 14, 2015 at 3:47 am

    Great stuff. Admittedly I occasionally do rather well with 140 characters? Living the nightmare. 🙂

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  6. Lord Humungus March 14, 2015 at 3:57 am

    Good riddance. Hopefully all the jew-loving pansies like you will leave and let the real men take over.

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  7. Brown eye March 14, 2015 at 4:29 am

    Good riddance jew. 1488!

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  9. peppermint7889 March 14, 2015 at 4:48 am

    I don’t think Jim’s blog has changed, but I’ve given up on Land’s blog.

    NRx has the problem that there are a number of things it could plausibly mean and lots of people with egos invested in their own definition hoping to be some kind of leader now that it it isn’t as exciting to simply say the word ‘nigger’ anymore. I’m out too lol.

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  10. Dark Psy-Ops March 14, 2015 at 7:53 am

    I think you sell yourself short, there are young lurkers (such as yours truly) who were very glad to have you on the front-lines. Guess this means I will need to read the Austrians myself so I can hold my own. I just don’t think you should let a few Nazis and Xtian fascists stop you from writing. The major influences on NRx are in it for the long haul. Land and Moldbug etc. will be remembered in the decades to come, whereas the Anissimov twitter goon parade will be long forgotten, or have returned to their natural Nazi habitat. NRx has certainly slowed down but my bet is on it achieving never-before-seen prominence and intellectual integrity in the near future, and you should definitely be a part of it. Tech-comms for the win!

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  11. Chris B March 14, 2015 at 9:37 am

    It is pretty hard dealing with the epic retardation on display. How Evola, nationalism and non-Austrian economics get mixed in with MM is beyond me. It’s like a lot of people really haven’t thought about the underlying mechanics of their beliefs and seem to think it is possible to merely say – “I would like, A, B, C and D”.

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    • Just sayin' March 14, 2015 at 2:57 pm

      “It is pretty hard dealing with the epic retardation on display. How Evola, nationalism and non-Austrian economics get mixed in with MM is beyond me.”

      It’s because you called your intellectual movement neo-reaction instead of neo-libertarianism

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      • Orthodox Laissez-fairist March 14, 2015 at 3:33 pm

        There’s non-Marxian socialism. Actually there’s been socialism before Marx. Same thing with reaction. There’s non-Evolian reaction, and there was reaction before Evola. Furthermore, Nationalism is not reactionary, it’s an Enlightenment movement of 19th century. Overton Window has moved leftwards since then, so 19th century leftism is now considered right-wing, but it’s really not. Austrian economics is just a school of economics, it’s value free, so it’s not necessary to be libertarian to be Austrian, and vice-versa (David Friedman is a prominent non-Austrian libertarian).

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      • Evola's Ghost March 14, 2015 at 7:42 pm

        Um, just about all the top Austrian economists like Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek were explicit about calling themselves and their doctrines classically liberal.

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      • Orthodox Laissez-fairist March 14, 2015 at 9:26 pm

        Indeed, most Austrian economists were either classical liberals or libertarians. Some were fascists. Some were interventionist capitalists (their proposed interventions weren’t for alleviation of inequality, but for increasing utility).

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  12. Stirner (@heresiologist) March 14, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    NBS as always gives sage advice.

    Take a step back, and get out of the thick of things. If you get out of the day to day drama (especially NRx Twitter), I think you will find an accomodation with the current state of NRx.

    Stick to your favorite blogs, but perhaps keep an eye on things via Week in Reaction, or some other roundup.

    As a longtime NRx lurker who has followed the full trajectory of NRx development, I would observe that NRx2015 is merely going through another painful growing stage.

    Yes, there is massive entryism, not to mention a substantial watering down of the average contribution. That is to be expected as NRx starts appealing to a wider audience. There is a limited supply of right wing intellectual savants out there, and NRx has already enjoyed a disproportionate share from their conributions to date. What NRx seems to be doing is accumulating a critical mass of sympathizers. Not everyone is MM-tier intellectually, but that his just how the Bell Curve slopes. It is a necessary step for NRx to evolve into the next stage: a breakout from the merely digital, to forging personal connections in the real word.

    Frankly, you need bodies to do that, and those bodies are marginal commenters and meh Tweeters at the moment. Yet, many of them would we fantastic to share a beer with at the bar, or just have a plain spoken NRx-based F2F conversation, or even have over to the NRx backyard BBQ. Once NRx makes the leap into the real-world, it will diminish the influcence of the entryist sperg-lords. NRx will not just be an online intellectual salon, but will instead start to evolve towards being a niche real-world subculture.

    Give it time, and NRx will evolve into having a relatively large outer-party of the right wing like-minded, and more occult inner-party that will largely drive the intellectual development of NRx.

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    • ReactionaryFerret March 14, 2015 at 3:58 pm

      I hope so. I feel like the only NRx in Central Kentucky and it would be nice to have some like-minded people to have some beers with..

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  13. ReactionaryFerret March 14, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    I think, as I learned myself, Twitter may be the problem.

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  14. Xopher Halftongue March 14, 2015 at 11:00 pm

    I think there is a good opportunity for NRx to influence the new techno-religions that are rising in Silicon Valley. Much in the same manner that Philo of Alexandria influenced the proto-christian cults that were rising in the early Roman Empire.

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  15. M. Laurel March 14, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    I approve of your reflection and welcome your future decision. You’re wise to consider that NRx might not be the best path going forward. I only hope you won’t forget the principles you’ve learned and the discussion you’ve had. No enemies to the right. We’re in this for the long haul and whether you consider yourself a Neoreactionary or not, as long as you make your efforts I’d happily provide what moral support I can offer.

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  16. Aeroguy March 15, 2015 at 8:11 am

    You”re right to focus your energy on people who can challenge you. There are still many questions to asked and answers to be developed. Pushing to evaluate our theories in the face of contradicting evidence being a part of that. Don’t get emotionally invested in how people respond, you can argue but they’re still outside your control. People will always be wrong but the pursuit of truth can never be taken away. Personally I’m glad you’re off twitter, I refuse to participate in it but I find myself forced to read through it to find the full context of what’s going on. Keeping the conversations on the blogs makes happier reading for me.

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  17. Manticore March 15, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    I love this blog and I thought that your return did a lot to reinvigorate the ‘sphere. To be sure, NRx has settled into a rhythm of regularity. But I assure you, there IS some really interesting new work still being done: NIO on lemon trees, 1IrradiatedWatson on liquidity, and Butch Leghorn on the estates are all recent entries destined for classic status. The key to Twitter is limiting your involvement. I suggest you keep your account and just log on for Saturday mornings. Don’t feel obligated to engage with idiots or out-groupies. Just use it as a platform to let us know when you publish new stuff. Also, experiment with the new group DM function to keep out the riff-raff.

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  18. Izak March 15, 2015 at 7:27 pm

    For the record — although I’m sure that I have done my part to weigh down the quality of Nick Land’s comments section, the upside to all of this is that I never called myself NRx and thus cannot be accused of entryism.

    Excelsior!

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  19. Peter A. Taylor March 16, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    I look forward to hearing you again on Ascending the Tower.

    Neoreaction suffers from being defined by what it is not. And what it is not, Progressivism, also defies easy definition.

    Regarding the development of formalism, one of the conspicuously absent names is Nick Szabo.

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  21. Dave March 18, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    How could any movement ever engage the masses without being dumbed down in the process? I suspect the successor ideology to progressivism might be white nationalism. Though intellectually shallow, WN resonates with the average guy who’s been offshored or affirmative-actioned out of any job that would pay him a decent wage. Plus, those swastika tattoos and Confederate flags totally freak out the squares!

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  22. Curt Doolitlte June 1, 2015 at 2:55 pm

    Follow me. Propertarianism picks up where Reaction leaves off.

    Neo-Reaction is a rational criticism. Propertarianism is a solution.

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